My utility cycling involves lots of stops with short rides in between.
Seems like a pain removing front and rear cameras. So I waited for a helmet with built-in cameras.
In Dec-2019 I considered a CycleVision Edge Twin Camera but not excited. Guess there is no ‘perfect solution’.
Then in Jan-2020 injured by SUV in hit-run. Daytime, with my yellow bike, and wearing hi-vis vest. The irony.
So back to considering cameras, while I take an enforced break from cycling. Must be able to record vehicle rego and in many conditions.
The Fly12 and Fly6 sound interesting, if riding longer distances, or don’t mind frequently removing the cameras.
Cyclevision Edge Twin Camera bicycle helmet – cyclevision.com.au – cyclevision.com.au/pages/help-faqs
CycleVision Edge helmet review – by Matt de Neef – posted by Cycling Tips on 18-Apr-2018 – cyclingtips.com/2018/04/cyclevision-edge-dual-camera-helmet-review
Cycliq Fly12 and Fly6 – cycliq.com
Cycliq announce new model Fly12CE and Fly6CE safety cameras – by Nat Bromhead – posted on Bicycling Australia on 16-Nov-2017 – www.bicyclingaustralia.com.au/reviews/gear/cycliq-announce-new-mode...
Best cycling safety cameras 2019 – by Richard Young – posted on Proviz on 2-Mar-2019 – www.provizsports.com/au/blog/best-cycling-safety-cameras
More riders relying on front and rear safety cameras – by Nat Bromhead – posted on Bicycling Australia on 26-Nov-2017 – www.bicyclingaustralia.com.au/news/more-riders-relying-on-front-and...
I've used Fly6/12 for a few years now, currently have the latest version CE. you can't beat it for simplicity and battery life, 4-8 hours use depending on whether or not you're using the light as well. I've had a couple of convictions resulting from a close pass and stuff being thrown at me, but found it does help to know a policeman when reporting it! The only issue I have had is that despite their assurances, then Fly6 does NOT like water! ... but if you have mudguards, it's not a problem.
I use a fly6/12 as well. No issues with them other than just having to reformat the SD card now and again (I should probably do it more often just to be on the safe side). The rear one comes off easy if you're out and about. The front one needs a bit more work, but it's literally less than 30 secs to take off a little bit more to put back on, just lining the holes up for the bolt.
Does that mean a fly6 for the rear and a fly12 for the front?
My problem is that (from a quick google) they are about $250 each. I cannot justify that expense, in fact the total is almost as much as my bike!
Yes Peter, Fly 6 rear and Fly 12 at the front. The Fly 12 was actually around $450 when I bought it. I get what you're saying about justifying the cost, yes it's expensive, but was much cheaper than the potential legal bills and time wasted, when I got cleaned up by a texting driver. While the camera didn't pick up their phone usage (and the cops didn't check the phone!), it was very clear that their driving was negligent. My comprehensive insurance paid out pretty quickly and went after the driver (who was un-insured) once they saw the footage. That bike was worth about $2k, plus my phone and helmet got smashed, so I got paid out about $2.5k. That was pretty easy from my end.
MAC was a different story, but I think they're programmed to try and piss you off to the point that you give up and they don't have to pay out. The video helped a lot with that though, so my medical bills all got paid much easier than they would have without the video.
Kristian, after a cyclist-vehicle crash, I needed physio. I phoned MAC who verbally agreed to pay for physio, but refused to reimburse me when I presented the bills. (Get it in writing.) So I engaged a lawyer who successfully lodged a larger claim.
Previously in SA, CTP was managed by MAC only, but now several companies and the law has changed.
Does this make it easier for an insurance company to “play hardball’ with an injured person?
The SA Govt changed the CTP scheme that relates to third party insurance for motor vehicles. For an injured person, it has reduced how much compensation can be claimed, but also discourages a claimant from consulting a lawyer.
“If the total amount of compensation paid to you by the CTP Insurer for your claim is $25,000 or less, no legal fees or associated costs can be recovered by you as part of your claim.” Reference www.ctp.sa.gov.au/injured-people/legal-advice
For a fuller explanation, read this paper. Boylen, Patrick --- "The effect of CTP changes on injured people: Lessons from South Australia"  Precedent AULA 60; (2014) 125 Precedent 25. classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/PrecedentAULA/2014/60.html
Peter, agree that cameras are not cheap.
Is it insurance against a driver who afterwards lies about his negligence?
What if an injured person had to pay for bathroom alterations? E.g. a damaged knee prevents stepping into the bath and the shower is over the bath.
I've never had a rear facing camera. I'd love one but have to consider the expense as Peter notes.
I have used an old GoPro Hero 3 for years and the video is excellent. Much cheaper versions would do a similar job. I just have it mounted on the handle bars in its water proof case. Problem here is audio is almost non existent. I could use the partial rear cover to improve sound however I have elected to get an aftermarket "all day" battery which fits on the back. Cheap battery and originally lasted about 6 hours, now down to about four hours after a couple of years.
I have it on the bars to avoid making obvious. Problem is you have to take it out when locking at shops, toilet etc. Download from SD card is pretty simple. I used to just do it in the raw but when I installed the actual GoPro software (which isn't bad) on the computer, it insists on downloading into the GoPro software now and this is slow on my old PC. I could probably alter this but don't know how.
It has been useful. Got knocked off bike by car turning from opposite lane, spun into roadway, luckily traffic stopped. Driver claimed she got past without touching me. Video clearly showed me colliding with her rear wheel. Not injured, no damage to bike, no need to claim but was glad I had it.
Many incidents recorded are cars pulling out of sidestreets in front of me without giving way and same at roundabouts. Close passing is really common and probably a rear camera would help.
Haven't had much luck with reporting close passing to police, beyond one driver being warned. I was happy he was told and he probably has not done it since. Have been annoyed by attitude of police on other occasions because they have said "looks ok", meaning no blood splash or severed limbs evident. Not prepared to use common sense to judge from gutter width and road markings where car was in relation to bike. Seriously, if I passed a patrol car as closely as I have been passed by cars on North East Road near, the ABC, I'd expect to be tasered senseless.
Anyway, on a lighter note, watching vision of your rides gives a different perspective. I have been stunned, looking at descents from Norton Summit, Montacute, Eagle on the hill, appreciating how lucky we are to have such picturesque and beautiful regions to ride through. Even watching footage of riding the Linear path reminds me how lucky we are to live and ride in clean, beautiful parks.
Hey guys... have not had much input on this subject, but am interested in it... I just got an e-mail from Pushys... they are having a sale on these cameras you speak about... I always though a helmet mounted go-pro was what I would choose, but now I know about these...
might be a bit more affordable for those getting their $750 of free money from the govt.!
I read about the CycleVision Edge Twin Camera (helmet with built-in cameras) and decided not for me.
Had hoped this would be the obvious solution for my utility riding with many stops.
Kristian: "The front one needs a bit more work, but it's literally less than 30 secs to take off a little bit more to put back on, just lining the holes up for the bolt."
I have some lights that slide on. The Fly light-camera sounds like takes more time to fit and fiddly if fitting in the dark.
Kristian, am I right in thinking that one needs a smartphone to use a Fly?
Simpson: "I have used an old GoPro Hero 3 for years and the video is excellent."
Is it slow or fiddly to fit? Does it require a smartphone?
Can anyone suggest a reasonable bike camera that is quick to fit?
Sorry for the late reply Heather.
My old GoPro does not need a smartphone, I just remove the SD card and shove it into the computer when required. Having said that you can connect via WiFi on a smart phone if you want to. Is it fiddly to fit? Well, I would say not really using the standard battery. I have the water proof case mounted on the handle bars permanently (online generic bracket cost about $5.00) and if you use the standard battery, it just pops in and out of the plastic case, easily put into your pocket. However, I use an all day battery which replaces the rear door of the water proof case and fits into the back of the camera. This flips back to get the camera out, which is easy and if you want to take the battery off the water proof case also, it clips off. Honestly, it is not too much of a bother if you stop once to lock your bike for lunch or whatever, but if you are leaving the bike frequently, I'd say use a helmet mount for the GoPro (supplied with camera) or get some other helmet mounted model as it does drive you potty doing it over and over and there is nothing like the sick feeling of realising you have left your bike locked up in Rundle Mall with the camera sitting on the bars. Luckily I have got away with making this mistake a couple of times.
Valid point of eventually omitting to take something off the parked bike.
I often walk into shops wearing cycling gear (helmet, glasses, gloves, hi-vis vest) rather than nuisance of removing.
l bought a Kaiser baas x230 from jb hifi the other day for $70, didn't come with a microcard, but still, mounted on the helmet, records in 20 minute blocks, continuous record. can record up to 4k 30fps(upscaled), default is 1080 60/30fps, records in mp3 so you can transfer the file to your pc and play it on your installed media player, (eg. VLC). wifi enabled, water resistant, comes with a heap of attachments.
the sound wasn't that great, recording the rain hitting the helmet, the clip clop walking or riding, but for (with change from) $70 per camera, way cheaper than the gopro, and for those of us uncomfortable using them because "l ain't no forkin "ero"", it fits the niche nicely.