There were two complaints last week from Hazlehurst Senior Citizens Club, who use the hall after us on Saturday . The issues are basically about how people can share space, and could have been solved earlier, and informally, and in a friendly way. However Hazlehurst chose not to do that, and instead chose to raise them semi-officially, and as OH&S.
The issue was , while Hazlehurst members were arriving, some people were working on a bike, near the back door . The bike was leaning on a bollard; there were some tools on the ground.
Hazlehurst believed tools/bikes near the door are a ‘safety hazard’ ‘a tripping hazard’ and ‘obstructing the path’ for their senior citizens. Some are over 80 and cannot see well.
As Hazlehurst framed it as an OH&S issue - the Workshop needs to respond using that framework..
In terms of risk management, the likelihood of anything happening is small but not negligable. Bikes, and people working on them, are large, easy to see. Tools on the ground might be a bit harder to spot.
That said, if anything does happen, consequences are serious. Falls can be debilitating for the elderly e.g broken hips, or torn tendons, which will not heal well.
The only way we can eliminate the risk, is from now on, be packed up and gone, before Hazlehurst turn up. This means stopping work outside by 12, and limiting what we do inside. Otherwise, even with the best intentions.... sooner or later someone will leave a spanner on the ground, and someone from Hazlehurst will stumble on it.
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This is disappointing , as it cuts our time from 9-1 to 9-12. Council originally thought we could continue working after 12, and overlap with Hazlehurst. We had been doing this for some time, with no problems. Hazlehurst folk seemed friendly; I thought any issues could be talked over and resolved in a friendly way. In addition Hazlehurst, if worried about bikes, have the option of the front entrance for their frail elderly; that is entirely free of bikes, we don’t use it.
However the two rather abrupt people who collared me on Saturday, didn’t seem open to much friendly discussion .
So a few guidelines for Saturdays from now..
Also, … in case Hazlehurst turn up early….
Finally,We ought to open the workshop at another time – any volunteers? To some extent we're victims of our own success - more people turning up - tending to need more time. Workshop is free Sat after 4, Sunday til 2. Also Mon, Tue Thu after 3:30, and all day Friday.
Anyone interested in running another session regularly? please contact myself, Brian Jenkins or Jeremy Miller.
This is all a bit disappointing. It seems unfair, as the responsiblity is really a joint one - yet it seems to be us that have to do a lot of accommodation, and Hazlehurst do very ilttle extra. As Hazlehurst raised it as OH&S, I've had to look into it thoroughly, and draft a response that's at least semi official. That's taken 4-5 hours of my time, for something that they could have resolved with us, and in a more friendly way, more effectivley, and earlier, by a few minutes of friendly chat. Still, done now, and I guess we must live with it.
Mike.
Comment by Don (Who's lost?) Nairn on May 15, 2012 at 21:49 I hope your response suggests that for their won safety it would be best that they didn't arrive before say 12:40
Comment by heather on May 15, 2012 at 22:31 I wonder if the people are not 100% accepting of cyclists, or cyclists using 'their' hall, such that a reaction rather than an early friendly chat. Could have been solved early by asking cyclists to work outside in a specified area and explaining why, but sounds too late for a compromise.
At times when I reported cycling hazards to authorities, nothing was done. Learnt to explain why it was a hazard to cyclists, so that authorities would appreciate my concern. Even though one would hope that authorities could recognise a cycling hazard.
Comment by Peter Hill on May 16, 2012 at 9:55 Trip hazards could be an issue but there are ways of dealing with it.
put a temporary fence of barrier mesh around to outside work area and keep all bikes and tools within that. Lightweight high viz sort of thing that I have used at work plenty of times.
You might find that there are also benefits to yourself such as people might be less likely to wonder off with tools if there is a fully demarked outdoors workshop area.
Don, Heather, Pete - thanks for your comments.
All a bit disappointing. I think most of their people - I'm sure most of ours - had no problem sharing the space, between 12 and 1. That's when Hazlehurst set up / arrive, and we pack up / depart.
Council told us, we'd need to make a bit of effort to share and work round them. My impression of Hazlehurst- the ones who spoke to us -was no problems. They went out of their way to be friendly, to reassure us we were welcome & not in the way.
Still, - this originated from the ones who dont speak to us - not the ones who do.
There may be a good outcome yet...
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