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Permalink Reply by colin ware-lane on March 2, 2012 at 20:08

seems nobody likes the L now there is a suprise,not.and i am not the only one who thinks number 1 looks black,you have to look real close to see its navy blue

Permalink Reply by Michelle Crick on March 2, 2012 at 20:14

Col we were just combining all the elements from the feedback that everyone suggested!

It is not a popularity contest Col and nothing is set in stone we are a democracy after all and since you were abstaining it does not matter to you does it? 

Permalink Reply by colin ware-lane on March 8, 2012 at 20:49

@ michelle the muddies was in the end just 4 riders after jim passed it over to pat,i was one of them and i find your comment somewhat patronizing as to if i care or not,i have ridden with both the original muddies and the new L ride to show support and people that know me, will be well aware of the time and effort i have put in to help other riders over the last 6 yrs.due to ongoing back issues i have not been able to ride as often as i would like but was still willing to take riders up to the GW ride,the same can not be said when it was me would wanted a lift.If as an original muddy my opinion is not valued then i am quite prepaired to leave the group.

Permalink Reply by Michelle Crick on March 9, 2012 at 7:31

@Col

I am sorry if offended you but at the time I wrote my reply I was just little bit tense and saw your response and I felt I needed to defend the work that we (Trent & the Matt's) have been putting for something that we are all very passionate about.

However it all seems to have been in vain as we appear to be splitting into two groups anyway..

What happens now is anyone's guess!

Permalink Reply by Damian Saunders on March 2, 2012 at 19:07

number 3, but without the L and the strava up. colours look great on 1 and 3.

Permalink Reply by Matt Koukourou on March 4, 2012 at 8:28

Number 3 for me without starva up.

Permalink Reply by Peter Hill on March 4, 2012 at 15:57

I know this is a 'Vote' discussion, but...

Whatever design (or designs) are chosen, it is the number of puchasers that is the ultimate factor. Money talks here.

Sometime (ie, often) you cannot please everyone so there comes a point at which a decision is made that some people's preferences are not catered for by only one design.

After a couple of short discussions on Saturdays ride it was clear that some people are very enthusiastic about it and others are ambivalent. Personally, I would be in the 'ambivalent' category where I would buy one if it was what I wanted, but might decide not to if there were some things I didn't like about it. I'm OK if my 'vote' does not get chosen.

I think it is now time for people to hand some money over to get the order in. Maybe that request alone will decide which jersey gets the go-ahead.

Permalink Reply by Matt Jones on March 6, 2012 at 18:29

The way its going at the moment, ver 1 and 3 are tied on 8 votes each. ver 2 is on 4 votes. 

only 20 votes so far ? lets treat this as more of a confirm the colour choice.

We can then refine the design.

Permalink Reply by colin ware-lane on March 6, 2012 at 19:25

there are 82 members so why is there only 20 votes its about time the membership of the muddies was culled to remove people that simply dont ride with the muddies and some that NEVER have.

Permalink Reply by Emma Watts on March 7, 2012 at 8:07

For starters - colour scheme wise - I like 3. Though think that 1 with the navy looks smart. Matt J, Matt B, Trent and Michelle – well done on the designs and trying to get this moving! I think the colours look great. Well done.

Perhaps there are only 20 votes out of 82 because a) they don’t care for a jersey, b) they can’t be bothered with the reaction to their opinion c) they are just happy to go with the flow.

In my opinion the reason there is such a low vote, is that while this is all happening under ‘the Muddies’ there is more than one group in here. Some people in this group are original Muddies, or have loyalties and preferences to ride with those that are. Some aren't. Some simply want to ride with a good group of people from the southern suburbs, but don't have the history as part of them and don't care for the name, history etc.

There are different levels, interests and age groups. From watching, especially with the name and jersey debate, I think that there is opportunity to for the current group to split into those that want to be part of the Muddies, to those that just want to ride down south, or keep the group as is and go with a very generic jersey that doesn’t have a lot of detail, but more interest in the design. Especially if there are those that want an exclusive group to ride with that is like minded, similar skills etc.

Due to the range of demographic, interests, personalities there are going to be different opinions. It’s great to have them. And while it’s a free world to share our opinion, I’m a bit lost as to what happened to that little old saying ‘if you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all’. There’s a difference between sharing different opinions and just being miserable and nasty about it.

I joined the Muddies group on AC because I wanted to be getting out on the L ride, and wanted to keep in touch with the events and also getting to know more about the people riding on the L rides. I'd heard great things about this  community and group. I've not made it out there on a bike due to other commitments, mainly that of being mum, but I've met many of you and had still intended on getting out on one of those rides at some point, or riding with a smaller group of you. My point is, some people join 'the Muddies' group to be a part of something friendly and regular in the southern suburbs on their bike - if that's causing issue and it's intended to be exclusive - then make it clear.

Permalink Reply by Paul Fisher on March 7, 2012 at 8:32

nicely said Emma! well done.

if i remember correctly. i started out on the L ride on i think there 2nd weekend. there were 4 or 5 of us. and it grew from there. now all off a sudden its the muddies right. when did that happen. i though the muudies went from hallett cove. i really dont see the significence of a bike riding crab.

its a shame that everyone cant put the energy of this whole jersey BS into getting on there bikes on the weekends and just enjoy riding with a great group of people. this whole debate has gotten really boring.

it doesnt matter what lycra you wear if you look  like me your not going to look good in it anyway

hope to see some off you out on sunday, you dont even have to wear a jersey if you dont want to

Permalink Reply by Michelle Crick on March 7, 2012 at 8:45

Thank you Emma I guess you have said what maybe many are thinking and are not speaking up and just seeing what happens.

The problem we have is lack of leadership now.. I don't feel I have the knowledge or expertise to lead groups of cyclists. Whilst I have some free time I am happy to help out with organising.

The Gawler Wheelers have a huge turn out the their rides and are supported with a strong group of regular riders. Having only just discovered the group I don't want it to die a death because people become alienated and stop using the group to organise the rides.

I am not sure what the answer is...

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