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A group to encourage cyclists to report traffic advisory signs etc that have been illegally placed in a bike lane or otherwise unnecessarily impede cyclists.
Location: Adelaide
Members: 30
Latest Activity: on Monday
Aim
When you tell the lollypop operators they refuse to move them because they haven't been trained properly, so you have to go to the council concerned (or DTEI if it's a major road) to get any action. If we make enough noise, perhaps those traffic management companies will remember that we are traffic and they might as well place their signs in the traffic lane as put them in the bike lane.
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Comment by Stephen Janes on Monday -
A couple of signs outside the West Tce cemetery. looks like they could be there for a while the way the work on West Tce is progressing. Nice touch blocking half of a quite popular bike path. One sign is next to a bend...a real hazard!
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Comment by Not an electronic mouse on March 21, 2013 at 10:44 -
I am happy to address the letter to councils as well as the minister. My thinking is that it is the DPTI that set and enforce the rules. If they aren't clear then it we'll never get the workers doing the right thing. Another idea would be to ask if cyclist safety is covered in the DPTI training programs.
Apparently there is a handbook ($15) called Traffic control devices for workzone traffic management that is referenced in the DPTI guidelines.
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Comment by Not an electronic mouse on March 21, 2013 at 10:32
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Paul - the manual can be found here: Manual
Heather - be interested to see the regulations but it appears that what the workers installing the signs refer to is this manual.
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Comment by heather on March 21, 2013 at 8:05 -
There is a regulation or similar that requires cyclists to be catered for when doing roadworks. Give me time to find the info again.
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Comment by Paul Anderson on March 20, 2013 at 21:44
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Hello O mousey one,
I'd love to have a peek at that Manual!
Not sure completely, but methinks bicycles are classed as vehicles as far as 'signs posing hazards', which would be consistent with the definitions under the Australian Road Rules. In that case, it is as valid to place a traffic advisory sign blocking the car's lane as it is to put it so it blocks the bike's lane - that is, not valid at all. Both are vehicles.
So the issue becomes poor training/non-compliance with guidelines, work permit or regulations/incompetence/laziness/bad judgement (evidently there is some leeway for traffic signs to be a bit in the way, but not totally blocking the lane).
Perhaps your letter could be re-addressed to Councils and the Transport Dept (the main hiring bodies) as a part of a larger reporting campaign, telling them we are going to collect data on who what and where and subsequently demand that contracts not be given to the main offenders. A bit of name and shame.
I'd be in for a bit of shit stirring, direct action style. Take photos and note the Contractor's name, get lots of people involved and make it an issue......
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Comment by Not an electronic mouse on March 20, 2013 at 12:12
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The followign is a work in progress letter to the minister on roadwork signs in bike lanes - any help finishing it off would be appreciated.
Dear Minister,
I am writing to request that immediate action be taken to ensure that cyclists are not endangered by the practice of installing temporary roadwork signs in bike lanes.
I have made numerous observations of roadwork signs being installed in bike lanes without regard to the impact on cyclist safety.
The February 2012 edition of the DPTI publication “Manual of Legal Responsibilities and Technical Requirements for Traffic Control Devices”, Part 2 - Code of Technical Requirements states in section 1.6.3. Pedestrian related hazards, that “Installation of traffic control devices shall not pose a hazard to pedestrians.”
This specific protection of pedestrians does not seem to be replicated for cyclists. I call for the equivalent protection of cyclists.
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Comment by pete davis on March 8, 2013 at 11:04 -
The photo below is of Seacombe Road Darlington.
I just rode through there and let the traffic management people (lollypop people ) that their sign was in a dangerous position and should not be there , (why the rubbish bins ?) , but it did not look like they were going to move it on to the footpath , so I have just contacted The Traffic Management Centre . we'll see what happens !
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Comment by pete davis on March 8, 2013 at 10:57
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Comment by Paul Jorgensen on August 30, 2012 at 7:57
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Comment by heather on April 6, 2012 at 21:42
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Part of a reply from DPTI after a member of Adelaide and Prospect BUGs emailed them.
Roadwork signs in bicycle lanes
Traffic control devices are required to be installed in accordance with Australian Standards.
If the issue of signs in bicycle lanes occurs again, please report the issue and location to the department's 24 hour Traffic Management Centre, on 1800 018 313, and the problem will usually be attended to within 24 hours.
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