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Permalink Reply by JOHN BROWNING on March 26, 2012 at 20:09

1) Yes  ...just some really simple reflective markings on or near the edge of the cycle paths in the parklands that aren't lit at night.

-Not the ridiculous (and very dangerous) concrete bollards that we've had installed through the Eastern sections of The Linear Park.

 
Just some really simple reflective plastic strips would be great.

 

2) I suppose it's askinbg too much for a permanent bikepath from the weir down to the George St / Port Rd intersection.

-One that doesn't get closed down without notice every time there is a Pop Festival in the Western Parkland

 

       John Browning

Permalink Reply by heather on March 26, 2012 at 22:10

Re bollards

John, I have not cycled that route at night. Please clearly document where these bollards are and post here. The Linear Park is managed by council area and 8 councils. The bollards might not be under the control of ACC. If you provide more info, I can tell you how to contact the pertinent council.
It is better if bollards are painted white and have reflective strips. In 2011 I reported to ACC some white bollards without reflective strips (usually red and grey) and these were fixed. I attended a cycling conference where presentation on lighting the edges of bicycle paths. This month I forwarded these notes to ACC.
I have reported to other councils bollards that were dark coloured and missing reflective strips, but have not been back to check if remedied. Can anyone tell me?
1. Charles Sturt, Fullham Gardens, near Jasmine Grove, Torrens Linear Path. Cycling hazard of wooden bollard and posts. A wooden bollard, and the two nearest posts of wooden fencing, need reflective strips in silver and red to be obvious to cyclists in low lighting. Reported on 24-Apr-2011 to DTEI. Reported on 10-May-2011 to Charles Sturt Council.
2. West Torrens, Richmond, Westside Bikeway and Fleet Street. Cycling hazard of bollards. Where entering or exiting the Westside Bikeway, there are four grey coloured bollards. Please note that cycling lights are dim compared with car headlights, and a cyclist may not notice the bollards in time. Usually bollards on cycling routes are coloured white with a reflective strip. There is a similar cycling hazard of grey coloured bollards on this bikeway between South Road and Fleet Street. Reported on 20-Aug-2011.
3. I know that Prospect Council is yet to add reflective strips to a bollard on a shared path that I have been reporting since 28-Jan-2010.

Permalink Reply by JOHN BROWNING on March 27, 2012 at 19:22

Heather,

Please read the original again

"Just some really simple reflective plastic strips would be great "                    .

forget the bollards.................OK  -i'm sorry I mentioned them .......         PLEASE spare me the bollards

     JB

Permalink Reply by heather on March 26, 2012 at 22:10

Re shared paths and closure.

Yes, it is annoying when bicycle / shared paths are closed, even more so when no notice. Last year I contacted ACC and a staff member said he would warn cyclists beforehand when he closes paths.
Adelaide, Adelaide, Victoria Park. Cycling hazard of path closed and temporary path muddy, soggy and water pooling. More info at http://www.adelaidecyclists.com/forum/topics/victora-park-path-closure. Reported on 6-Jun-2011.
Probably more than one staff member has this responsibility, so a first aim could be to educate all pertinent ACC staff.
As for shared paths being closed for events on public land . . . no idea how to solve this. I am annoyed that a car race in the eastern parkland now takes 6 instead of 2 months to assemble and disassemble. Cyclists and pedestrians are not supposed to use this area while a a construction site. Can we ask ACC to set a shorter time when the event organisers ask to close the area?

Permalink Reply by GTrev on March 26, 2012 at 20:12

I'd like to see a green lane on Morphett street from Hindley street crossing all the way around light square - It's particularly dangerous holding your line on this stretch approaching Currie from Hindley and going around the square - Cyclists coming in from Port Road have real mish mash of options trying to get into the SW corner of the city

Permalink Reply by Margaret Faulkner on March 26, 2012 at 20:38

I agree with this suggestion, I ride home that way and there is no bike lane to follow riding across light square, you need to go to the right of the turn left only lane and it can be quite tricky to go straight over. I also find it interesting coming in to the city to navigate Morphett St, the green bike paths seem to help a little, so I like the idea of extending the green strip to other areas where bicycles and cars are likely to intersect so everyone knows where the bike path exists.  

Permalink Reply by heather on March 26, 2012 at 22:20

GTrev and Margaret, last year there was an AC campaign to ACC to improve cyclist safety where drivers cut into bicycle lanes on Morphett Street. The campaign was started by me, and one of my concerns is on the eastern side between Hindley and Currie Streets. ACC has made some improvements but more is needed. It is reasonable to try a treatment and let road users become accustomed to the treatment, before monitoring and applying elsewhere. ACC will soon observe vehicles on the green portions. If driver compliance insufficient, then white vibraline will be added. I have still seen vehicles in the green bicycle lanes and the wearing of the white line between bicycle and travel lanes supports this. For info on vibraline, see my post on AC group Look For Cyclists under topic Design For Cyclists at http://www.adelaidecyclists.com/group/lookforcyclists/forum/topics/...

Permalink Reply by heather on March 26, 2012 at 22:37

Adelaide BUG members, please add to this list. Bicycle lane portions that we would like coloured green now (and vibraline added later when proven need):

1. Morphett Street, eastern side, between Hindley and Currie Streets

2. Wellington Square, eastern side, both northern and southern corners. Also across the slip lane into Archer Street (even had a police car cut me off here when I was cycling straight ahead).

3. Grote Street, near intersection with West Terrace, across the left slip lane. Drivers turning left into West Terrace will cut cyclists off who are travelling straight ahead.

4. Frome Road, Albert Bridge. Not just the current entry and exit to the bridge, but also across the bridge. This is an urgent priority since fencing installed to the immediate left of the bicycle lanes prevents cyclists from escaping onto the footpath to avoid a negligent driver. Vehicles still enter the green bicycle lane, so vibraline required.

5. Montefiore Road, Adelaide Bridge. Need green bicycle lanes with vibraline across the bridge. This is an urgent priority since fencing installed to the immediate left of the bicycle lanes prevents cyclists from escaping onto the footpath to avoid a negligent driver.

6. Kintore Avenue where it meets Victoria Drive. The short section closest to Victoria Drive requires green colour and vibraline. Vehicles are driven in this bicycle lane, and also stopped there while vehicles wait to turn, thus obstructing cyclists.

7. Kintore Avenue. The whole length of the bicycle lanes need to be painted green to TRY to discourage drivers from stopping vehicles there while they wait for a car park. I am fed up with inconsiderate drivers putting cyclists are risk here. Last time I encountered 3 selfish drivers.

Permalink Reply by heather on March 27, 2012 at 7:48

Pirie Street at the intersection of Wyatt Street. I am tired of the many drivers who exit from an ACC U-park on Wyatt Street, before stopping across the Pirie Street bicycle lane. This is a breach of Australian Road Rules s. 187 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_reg/arr210/s187.html This creates a hazard for cyclists who must then veer into the narrow traffic lane.

To remind drivers to follow ARR and consider cyclist safety, please colour this short section of bicycle lane green. Also add at the intersection a sign number G9-57 of 'Watch for Bicycles'.

Permalink Reply by Paul on March 27, 2012 at 16:54

Same along pulteney street, after coming through the parklands into pulteney st, it is unusual for someone not to be sticking their bonnet out into the bike lane at any given intersection.

Additional to from road vibraline, it needs to be the whole way down the hill, as people are always stopping to drop off on the down side, despite the clearly marked bike lane.

Permalink Reply by Paul on March 28, 2012 at 16:29

Sorry that should read

"Additional to Frome road vibraline....."

Permalink Reply by heather on March 28, 2012 at 16:52

Adelaide, North Adelaide, Montefiore Road on the western side and on the approach to Montefiore Hill. There is a left turn travel lane, a bicycle lane with stand-ahead, and straight ahead travel lanes. To encourage errant drivers to keep out of the bicycle lane, and for cyclist safety, this bicycle lane needs to be coloured green for several metres, from where the broken line ends, right up to the intersection. An AC member has posted about incidents here with vehicles in the bicycle lane. I have been forced out of the bicycle lane by an overtaking bus that moved into the bicycle lane, although the bus was travelling straight ahead and not turning left. So even 'professional' drivers harass cyclists here.

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