Thebarton- Cyclist & Tanker Truck Accident May 18
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Permalink Reply by Brett G-R on
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i went past this accident and i feel everyone is quick to lay blame with the truck driver.until a full investigation is concluded and results of its findings we will not know the full situation. that particular corner is tight for the truck to turn therefore he had two choices, stay in the kerb lane and when turning left and veer into the other lane on side street or move in the middle lane on port road and turn left thus staying in the correct lane on the side street. judging by the the position of the truck i would say it was not the latter. I think as a cyclist it is up to us to be the observer of conditions and traffic on the road, i for one take the iniative of slowing , stopping or give waying to traffic because i find drivers have no perception of how fast us riders are travelling thus cutting us off or entering bike lanes. annoying definately yes, can we do anythink about it, probally not.
I think with all these strava segments around riders may be risking more to achieve personal records. If laws are not enforced what chance do we have, i had 5 close call today on the way to glenelg on cross rd, all ended well because i choose to make a safe decision base on traffic and my abillities.I stood in the bike lane 6 cars deep from an intersection on cross rd where cars were in the bike lane wanting to turn left. the 6th car in the queue a "police car". i stopped caught the eye of the officer and pointed to the bike lane and indicated he was in my lane. "no response".
Travelling today towards Adelaide on Anzac hwy i saw several groups of riders with not one in the bike lane and this was at 11:30 in the morning so there was quite a bit of traffic on the road. If you are going to keep pointing out the rules of the road us cyclist need to adhere to them as well.
I hope the rider was not at fault and makes a speedy recovery.
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Permalink Reply by Patrick O'Kane on -
.I stood in the bike lane 6 cars deep from an intersection on cross rd where cars were in the bike lane wanting to turn left
Cars can legally enter (and block?) a bike lane when waiting to turn left. I sometimes find it annoying, Cross and Marion is a prime example, but I'd rather they block the bike lane than sit in the "car" lane then turn across me as I ride past.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Murray on -
Cars can legally enter (and block?) a bike lane when waiting to turn left.
So is that what they mean by the item I bolded below ?
Other road users are permitted to use a bicycle lane only when: the bicycle lane is not in operation
stopping in an emergencyentering or leaving the road from private property, a parking area, including a parking lane, or another road (and then only for up to 50 metres)
overtaking a vehicle turning right or making a U-turn (and then only for up to 50 metres)
avoiding an obstruction (and then only for up to 50 metres)
driving a bus or taxi picking up or dropping off passengers (and then only for up to 50 metres).
From
http://www.sa.gov.au/upload/franchise/Transport,%20travel%20and%20m...
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Permalink Reply by heather on -
I tire of drivers who nudge out from public driveways, e.g. BP Prospect on Prospect Road, and into the bicycle lane (peak hour) or cycling area (non peak hours). This is where I (occasionally) buy petrol and know that clear line-of-sight while waiting for break in the traffic, without need to obstruct footpath or cyclists. Confirmed that breach of ARR.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_reg/arr210/s74.html
AUSTRALIAN ROAD RULES - REG 74
74—Giving way when entering a road from a road-related area or adjacent land
(1) A driver entering a road from a road-related area, or adjacent land, without traffic lights or a stop sign, stop line, give way sign or give way line on the road or road-related area must give way to:
(a) any vehicle travelling on the road or turning into the road (except a vehicle turning right into the road from a road-related area or adjacent land); and
(b) any pedestrian on the road; and
(c) any vehicle or pedestrian on any road-related area that the driver crosses to enter the road; and
(d) for a driver entering the road from a road-related area:
(i) any pedestrian on the road-related area; and
(ii) any other vehicle ahead of the driver’s vehicle or approaching from the left or right.
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Permalink Reply by heather on
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It is the responsibility of all road users to avoid a collision, even if the other party is 'in the wrong'. So surely the truck driver should have tried to avoid hitting the cyclist, especially IF the cyclist was in the right.
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Permalink Reply by Patrick O'Kane on
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It is the responsibility of all road users to avoid a collision, even if the other party is 'in the wrong'. so surely the cyclist should have tried to avoid hitting the truck, especially IF the truckie was in the right,
Until we know what exactly happened surely any allocation of blame is very premature. As a cyclist and therefore a vulnerable road user I try to go beyond what is right especially if the other party is a 30 tonne truck.
All I hope is the cyclist isn't too badly injured and lessons can be learned from this type of incident to stop it happening again.
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Permalink Reply by Greg Graham on -
Patrick, I completely agree. There are many things that could have happened here,- no one is in possession of the facts as yet. There is a reason why the yellow and red stickers on the rear of HV say Do not overtake turning vehicle - visibility from a truck cab is not great and the turning circle of an articulated vehicle is completely different to a short wheelbase car. Many road users of all types regularly demonstrate their complete ignorance of this.
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Permalink Reply by Phil Crick on -
You should make a complaint to SAPOL and see what happens to him, shouldn't be too hard to identify him even without a number plate.
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Permalink Reply by Mike Andy on -
I ride along here every evening in peak hour, and in fact I actually created a Strava segment that runs the length of the road from before the coke factory to the brewery. That said, I don't often bother to go fast there as the vehicle traffic is so unpredictable and the amount of times cars cut across the bike lane from the Shell service station or from Smith Street or others after being 'courteously" let in by other traffic (without looking) is amazing!
I have seen a cyclist cleaned up at the left turn at Phillips street (the next one along) and it probably was a good lesson for me as I now ride covering the brakes the whole way down that road, and generally slow down at all the side streets fully expecting someone to cut across my path.
A big problem there also is the large disparity between the speed of the generally unobstructed cyclists in the bike lane, and the general stationary traffic in peak hour on Port Road. the gradient there means its not a great effort to sit on 40-45km/h along the length of that road, and motorists only see stationary traffic and think its Ok to pull out, or alternatively someone is stuck waiting to turn left in stationary traffic, and when it starts to move they just flick left without expecting or looking to see if anyone is coming up the side. I put this 50/50 between cars and bikes as the driver should be more careful and aware, but its also up to the cyclist to recognise the risk and ensure proactive safety measures to reduce risk of collision.
I have found that adjusting my Cygolite to flash at driver's eye height is a great help in making sure people notice me when coming down here :)
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Permalink Reply by David Case on
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I rode past this area just before 5 pm on Friday evening, the ambulance was already in attendance as was channel 7 news vehicle. The incident occurred on corner of Port Road and Light Tce, one corner to south of Smith Street. Need to be careful relying on what is reported in media, sometimes. This corner is quite a bit closer to the traffic light controlled major intersection at George St and Port Road. The incident may have occurred several minutes earlier as traffic was banked up to about Gaol Road/ Port Road intersection.
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Permalink Reply by Eugene Suleau on -
I ride that way on my way home as well and I try to avoid that stretch of road during peak hour... in fact, I'm writing this at work while I wait for it to tick over to 6 o'clock, as the traffic at 6.20pm is significantly lighter than at 5.45pm. When riding there during peak hour you do have to be watchful of the long line of cars to your right for the reasons stated above, and I would never ride during that time at speed. Perhaps that's one stretch of bike lane where a recommended (i.e. non-enforceable) speed suggestion be put in place for cyclists, e.g. 25km p/h between 5.15pm and 6.15pm. Though I suppose any sensible cyclist will be riding with caution, without the need for even a suggested speed limit.
Given that cars will turn left into side streets from Port Rd, why have the bike lane run down the entire left hand side? Why not make separate left turn lanes and have the bike lane run on the outside of that lane? Like the Manton St turn off a bit further down and on the western side of the Hindley St/Morphett St intersection.
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Permalink Reply by Bill Gehling on
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There's a simple principle that should be written into the law. "Never overtake on the left a vehicle that has indicated to turn or merge left". Similarly, "Never overtake on the right a vehicle that has indicated to turn or merge right". How many times have we seen tunnel-vision Adelaide drivers ignoring this, and almost getting wiped out by a turning truck? I also agree about under-run protection for trucks. It ought to be written into the law as well.
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