wondering if anyone has tried post workout recovery powders (power bar, musashi etc.) and do they work, are they value for money, what are the measurable effects?

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Using Jak3d means one will be hitting adrenal burn out in due time. I see it all the time in the fitness industry.

i sometimes mix in some Glucodin with my post-ride drinks if I'm really wiped out.  Works nicely for me.

I take a glucodin tablet about every twenty minutes during a ride - - always got some in the back pocket.

Thank you all for the info, will do some trial and error to see what works for me.

Ive been vegan for 11 years now. No protein powders or recovery shakes. Just real food. I ran a pb for 10 000m on Sunday with a time of 34:19. Im 35. Ripe spotty bananas are my fav meal.

I eat 600g + per day of simple sugars. Im single digit body fat all year long. This year have riden about 150km a week on average with about 20km a week of jogging. Genetically I have 'overweight genes' too. Its ALL about eating low fat, low protein, high carb. 

This is my GF. She does even less training and is in better shape and health then when she was 18. She is another crazy high carb low fat low protein vegan.

This is a photo of me in NYC a few weeks ago. I only know a handful of guys that eat as much simple sugars and low fat/protein as I do. We all look the same.

Our fav smoothy meal.

I don't know which photo to drool over -- my body shape has changed due to endocrine probs.

Can't believe this post is still going, have been experimenting lately and what seems to work for me is 500ml of milk with an extra teaspoon of sustagen sport within 1 hour of exercise. At first I thought it was maybe coincidence however Monday night played a rather intense game of indoor cricket with no recovery drink, legs still hurt today!

The reason that milk works, and high cal, lo fat  milk is even better, is that one of the important things required for recovery is calcium.

Read a recent report (I think it was CSIRO) in the Melbourne Age that found, after quite a long study, that low fat milk was by far the most effective post exercise drink. Apparently putting protein powders in is less effective and basically a waste of money. Having said that I do add powder just because I try not to eat too much meat and I lost 15 cm from my quads while I was layed up. I also swear by a handfull of dry roasted almonds as they're a really potent food source (roasted are more easily digested than raw), taste great, fill you up and go really well with pale ale (there, I said it). I also have a good mate who is vegan and, despite my concerns for his well being, you can't stop him!!! The proof is in the pudding, it's just that I happen to like my pudding served with as many animal byproducts as possible, not to mention the fact that veganism is bloody inconvenient at the best of times.
In a nutshell only add protein if you want to add bulk, if you exercise well that bulk will translate to muscle mass, if you don't it will appear in the most inconvenient places and be damned hard to get rid of.

It is amazing how many vegans were leather shoes !

Yeah. There is some long speel my mate always uses to justify this, unfortunately my head always goes numb and I've never heard the end. He really is bloody fit though!

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