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Permalink Reply by Don (Who's lost?) Nairn on January 25, 2012 at 18:41

ok

Permalink Reply by Mark S on January 25, 2012 at 18:49

I'm in. My goal is 10kg before next TDU to help me get over hills easier like Mengler's. 

Tip:  less fruit more veggies. Despite the fanatical love a member on these forums has for bananas and similar foods if you want to lose weight the less sugar and fat the better (I've done 20kg plus in 18months this way and the more fruit I have the less I lose and even gain, with exercise remaining unchanged). 

When I get around to it in the next week or two  I'm going to try calorie count and make sure I do one gym session per week in addition to the 5-6 hours riding per week. This is what made the difference last year. 

Permalink Reply by durian rider on January 30, 2012 at 12:15

Mark, if fruit made you fat, Id be obese. I averaged only 232km a week last year. On the fruit lifestyle long term, if you dont train you get too thin! lol!

The notion that fruit leads to obesity is silly. I mean look at me. Single digit body fat for the last 10 years. No coffee, stimulants, calorie restriction etc. Its not genetic either cos my bros are chubby and my Mum is obese. 

People need to put down the bacon, eggs, oil and grease and stop blaming the fruit, steamed rice etc lol!

My Mum says that one. 'Harley, if I eat fruit, I gain weight so I dont eat it often!..' I say 'MUM!! HOW COME YOUR STILL OBESE THEN IF YOU LIMIT YOUR FRUIT CONSUMPTION!!??' Mums says 'oh Im just getting older...' (face palm)

lol! Its one excuse after another. People dont like the simple route. We humans like to make things more complex and mystified. Eat low fat, high carb plant foods? Nah! Too simple!

Ive got one friend from 10 years ago that used to knock my high carb low fat lifestyle. He was as lean as I was but now is over 130kg and its not muscle. He used the starvation/coffee technique. Never works longterm and totally unhealthy in the mean time. 

Eat like chinese field workers if you want to be slim and trim and healthy for life. High carb, low fat, plant based. Its that easy. Its also a diet for performance as we see the worlds best athletes adopting this lifestyle more and more.

Video I did from yesterday just so people can see I do have single digit body fat year round regardless of how much Im training.

Permalink Reply by Matt Jones on January 30, 2012 at 12:21

Which is all great advise if your already built like that. For some of us "larger" folk, carbs are not good , insulin resistance which is prevalent in many toffee apple build people essentially leads to fat storage from carbs, eventually leading to full blown type 2 diabetes.

Loose the weight , get your insulin function correctly again and you're probably right.

Permalink Reply by durian rider on January 30, 2012 at 15:52

I hear you MJ. In fact I hear that every day lol! Its like at age 35 I just wake up with single digit body fat everyday of the year whilst working my 70hours a week sit down computer job due to my genetics. NOTHING to do with my dietary choices. ;)

People should see my family then! My bro's are fat, my Mum is obese.

This is the book for you MJ if your genuinely concerned about rice, potatoes and fruit causing diabetes.

PS: How on earth are people going to lose weight eating a diet based on fat and protein which does NOT support an active lifestyle. If rice made people fat, China would be obese..:)

Permalink Reply by Matt Jones on January 30, 2012 at 19:05

I'm not sure you get what I'm saying, but its not like I woke up one day with a BMI of 35 ish either. Its through a consistent set of dietary and lifestyle choices which with hindsight I wish I had never made. But all the wishing in the world isn't going to make my BMI magically drop. Eating better , moving more is.

The issue is , for me anyway, I need to manage my weight down to a level where my insulin functions properly and I dont get high blood sugers from rice and fruit. I know I can do it, I was down to about 82Kg about 6 years ago, purely though a high protein diet. Put it back on because I reverted back to my old food choices.

Permalink Reply by Mark S on January 30, 2012 at 20:21

For insulin resistance which is what obese western people have, low carbohydrate low fat high protein diets are required to reverse the insulin resistance.

Your statement about being 35 sedentary is irrelevant as you clearly are not obese.

As Matt says fix insulin resistance first.

However you are correct in saying fruit doesn't cause diabetes (fruit juice on the other hand is linked to diabetes).

Frequent consumption of white rice I believe is strongly linked to type 2 diabetes due to high glycaemic load. Although as you say obesity is not that common in Asia , type 2 diabetes is. Type 2 diabetes is not purely (majority of western cases are) a significant proportion can be linked to refined carbs (corn, potatoes, rice).

I have a close friend, early 40's, fit, thin, Asian, who despite living in SA continued to eat his Korean diet that included large portions of rice and developed type 2 diabetes last year.

Permalink Reply by durian rider on January 30, 2012 at 23:30

Read the above book if your interested in reversing type 2 diabetes or prevention of. Its clinically researched vs a quack atkins style fad diet.

Look at Dr Atkins. Died obese at 258lbs and riddled with heart disease. His diet was meant to prevent heart disease and keep people trim easily.

Ive got a friend from Malaysia. Doesnt eat a lot but eats a lot of meat and oil. He is slim. Eats some rice but most of his calories are coming from fat. Also got type 2 diabetes since coming to Australia.

If anyone wants to learn the truth about diabetes rates in Asia, read the China Study. Its the worlds most comprehensive nutritional study ever done. As a results, its totally deficient in 'bro science'. ;)

Permalink Reply by Martin Turner on January 31, 2012 at 10:08

All these books seem to focus on diet but what about exercise??? We exercise alot less than we used to...surely this is a significant factor in alot of modern age health problems?

Permalink Reply by Trent on January 31, 2012 at 10:14

think it was gus that mentioned it the other day but Michelle's (the biggest loser trainer) book  "losing the last 5 kgs" is a good read. it balances out all your meals and gives a meal plan along with a suggested exercise routine. i have found it a very helpful tool to keep me pretty well one track.

for me it is more of a mental task thank anything.

Permalink Reply by durian rider on January 31, 2012 at 11:23

Exercise is not as important factor as diet. Thats why can see overweight active people but never an over weight person eating a high carb, low fat, plant based diet. 

You are guaranteed to be slim. Not that I advice a lifestyle with no aerobic conditioning but you dont need to be fit to be slim. You just need to eat right. 

Why move the body then? Cos you MUST move to be healthy. 

Permalink Reply by Sean Carnie on January 31, 2012 at 11:29

Durian, what's a typical days consumption for you so we have an idea? interested in what your diet plan is like, can you include noting when you ride , eg what time of day as interested in your pre exercise meal plan

 

thanks

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