Cyclists Allowed to Run Red Lights
Interesting idea being trialed in Paris
Tags: Paris, red lights
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Permalink Reply by Slammin on -
I'm not sure running red lights straight through will do our (cyclists) PR any good, even if its legal. But turning left at red traffic lights wouldn't do any one any harm as a cyclist, as long as we give way.
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Permalink Reply by Martin Turner on -
+1
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Permalink Reply by Doddsy on -
Straight through scramble/pedestrian crossings would work. Not through intersections with oncoming motorised traffic.
There'd need to be a penalty for failing to give way/space and it would be great to see it enforced on a regular basis.
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Permalink Reply by Tim on -
Stop signs should be treated as yield signs by cyclists.
Cyclists should be allowed to turn left on red - after stopping.
This should be in the ARRs and not on a state by state basis.
I think this would have zero negative impact on cyclist safety - and would actually help to improve cyclist safety.
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Permalink Reply by heather on -
A story in The Times (UK) 'Cyclists in Paris can ignore the red traffic light' can be found, with other cycling stories, at
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/article3306950.ece
It was Doddsy who convinced me that ARR should permit cyclists to turn left on red lights. Many collisions occur at intersections, and more likely the fault of the driver rather than cyclist, so let the cyclist get away from the intersection, rather than waiting (to be hit by a vehicle).
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Permalink Reply by MARK FERGUSON (SPARTACUS) on -
Can't see the logic in it.
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Permalink Reply by Dahondude on -
The logic Mark is that in places like the UK many cyclists are killed while standing at a red light by trucks turning left and crushing the cyclist. So the left turn (or right turn in continental Europe) at a red light allows cyclists to remove themselves from a dangerzone. Im not against this but do worry about fast moving cyclists turning left on a red and taking out pedestrians, thus shifting the danger to
a different group of vulnerable road users. Still given the number of cyclists I see that turn left on red itd be fun to
see what happens if it was made legal.
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Permalink Reply by Doddsy on
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Hey Spartacus, It also gives pedal power an advantage.
Very much encourages people to leave the car (machine) at home.
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Permalink Reply by rossmg on -
Paris being France the new rules are cyclists to turn right on red (our turn left) but with out priority - that is give way to traffic on the green light. And also on T-junctions with lights when the cyclist is passing along the top of the T, again with out priority.
Frankly, I have been using "cyclists" turn left any time with care for years - only stopped recently since the peer group thing here seems to be "be good at red-lights" - LOL!
@Mark - I would have thought the logic of it quite apparent...
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Permalink Reply by Alex on -
I recall in the US that cars could turn right at red lights. You just have to give way. It was good not having to wait when there was no traffic about.
I would like to see the same rule here for all traffic.
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Permalink Reply by Derek Hasel on -
There are, in fact traffic lights in Adelaide where vehicles are permitted to turn left, on a red light. I think it may be St Bernards Rd and Playford St, Newton is one that I believe this is permitted. There are others but not too many.
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