Changes to Rundle Road
There seem to be some changes coming to the cycle path on Rundle Road. It's always been a mess as you cross East Tce heading west where traffic merges from two lanes into one and the bicycle lane vanishes for while. They have now moved the centerline of the road and there is enough room for a cycle path and two merging lanes of traffic.
A bike box also seems planned for the eastward direction at that same intersection. Not sure how that will go with the left hand turn arrow for cars. Presumably they will change that.
Also looks like a bike box coming at the Frome Road / Rundle Road intersection for bikes heading west.
It's not Holland yet but it will make a safer commute for a lot of people.
Michael
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Permalink Reply by Paul Jorgensen on
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The bike (door zone) lane heading west on Rundle Street has also been widened marginally - still close to the remaining car parks.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Murray on -
Hhm. The bike boxes are in although not being well observed. Maybe when (if ?) they are greened people will notice them. The left hand turn green light heading east is still active. I'm not sure how happy a car on Rundle Road wanting to turn left into East Tce is going to be when they get the light and I'm in the bike box blocking them. I guess I'll find out soon enough.
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Permalink Reply by rossmg on -
Very much a work in progress - I ride through there all the time.
Bike boxes marked out on the road but yet to be properly finished, nonetheless, I'm happy :-)
The one at the Rundle/Pulteney intersection heading west has been there a while now. Just on odd occassions a motorist will not spot the bike box and move into it up to the "stop" line. I have always had a litte chat to the people in the car and 100% have been surprised as to their position on the road - with respect to the meaning of the lines that is ;-)
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Permalink Reply by Brian Jenkins (BJ) on -
Thanks for the update Michael.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Murray on
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Tried the bike box to turn from Rundle Road into Frome today. Came up the bike lane on the left. Pushed past the BMW that had decided to block the LH bike lane. Came across and positioned myself in the bike box to the left of the centre and indicated left. Lights changed and the large black car (not the BMW) I had blocked by taking up this position squeezed past me with a cm or two to spare.
Presumably this is a legal use of a bike box ?
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Permalink Reply by Michael Murray on
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Sorry that shouldn't have said "indicated left" I was indicating right and turning right.
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Permalink Reply by heather on -
Michael, can you make your point clearer? You were turning right. Was the BMW travelling straight ahead? Were you impeded from turning right (no green light, other traffic)? Legal use of bike box . . . do you mean cyclist or driver?
Check out ARR, e.g.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_reg/arr210/s141.html
AUSTRALIAN ROAD RULES - REG 141—No overtaking etc to the left of a vehiclehttp://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_reg/arr210/s144.html
AUSTRALIAN ROAD RULES - REG 144—Keeping a safe distance when overtaking
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Permalink Reply by Michael Murray on
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Hi Heather,
Sorry I should have been clearer. Ignore the BMW as it's not really relevant to my question. There is essentially one lane proceeding west across Frome. Parked at the front of this just behind the bike box was a large black car intending to go straight across. I wanted to turn right into Frome. So I follow the bike lane up around the car and assume a right hand turn position blocking the straight through car. When the lights changed it proceeded forward passing me with not much room to spare. It seems a bit tough for the car that I am allowed to cycle around and block it. But that is presumably how the bike box is going to work. It was the legality of my manouvre I was wondering about.
Thanks for the links.
Michael
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Permalink Reply by heather on
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Michael, I cannot answer specifically about a bike box. However, there are some lanes where one can turn left or go straight ahead, and other lanes where one can turn right or go straight ahead. Or vice versa. If a vehicle does not have the green arrow, the driver behind who has the green circle light and wants to go straight ahead does not usually ram the vehicle in front. I used to think of this at a City intersection where angry drivers made no allowance for cyclists legally stopped at the intersection and waiting for a green light. The BMW is relevant in that whatever the circumstances, it does not give the driver the right to almost hit you.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Murray on
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If a vehicle does not have the green arrow, the driver behind who has the green circle light and wants to go straight ahead does not usually ram the vehicle in front.
The bike box is a bit different though as the vehicle in front (the bike) has come around the other vehicle to take the space in front of it. It is going to make cars a bit miffed until the get used to it.
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Permalink Reply by VeloAvenger on
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I guess the point of the bike box is to take off in front of traffic. If you intend to wait for a gap for a right turn just line up with traffic or use the box then do a hook turn.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Murray on
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That makes sense. But shouldn't this be written down somewhere as a road rule ?
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