"BICYCLE boulevard" on Beulah Rd
As from:
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/norwood-payneham...
Sounds great but speed limits down to 25Km/hr? I don't wanna be mean to cars precisely but that certainly (tongue in cheek) garners "up yours" points. Nonetheless, I can ride up Beulah Rd at 30Km/hr on my push-bike let alone down! I'd hate the whole thing to be clamped at 40 or under and get pinnged on my pushy. Not that I can do 70 down there frankly, but I'm sure some can and that would be a 45 klick over infringement - not good :-/
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Lynch on
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Sounds great to me! I'd be happy with a 40km/h speed limit, as if it was 25, motorists would just break the limit and blame the cyclists.
Although if only local traffic is allowed, this could be resolved
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Permalink Reply by Michael Murray on -
Sophia Macrae got a good comment in.
Michael
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Permalink Reply by heather on -
So I think AC members sent comments 11, 26, 27 and 28. Comment 36 is from cyclist Bekster of Stepney. Does anyone know if that is AC member Bekster?
Gus might have thought he was starting AC for group rides and friendship, but did he think of the communication that enables advocacy?
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Permalink Reply by heather on
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I would support a 30 km/h speed limit, which I understand is the usual speed limit in Dutch residential streets. And a start to making all Adelaide residential streets 30 km/h.
Safer speeds (extract)
Published by DPTI re Towards Zero Together campaign.
http://dpti.sa.gov.au/towardszerotogether/saferspeeds
Research into the capacity of the human body to absorb crash energy indicates that speeds would ideally be less than 30 km/h in where conflict with people walking and cycling is possible, less than 50 km/h where vehicle side-impacts are possible and less than 70 km/h where head on collisions are possible.Note: Recommend that you go to the link above to view Figure 5 Collision - force and risk of fatality.
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Permalink Reply by Luke on -
The NPSP Council should be commended for progressing this idea. However, as a regular rider of Beulah Rd I'm concerned that unless the proposed solution encompasses NPSP, Burnside and Adelaide Councils it won't address the complete range of issues that prevent people using Beulah Rd to cycle into and out of the city. The safe crossing of Portrush and Fullarton Roads are the big hurdles. Once those are addressed then it will be worth spending money on slowing traffic on Beulah Rd and ensuring crossing traffic gives way to cyclists. I hope the first thing the consultant does is get on a bike and ride Beulah Rd end to end into the city at 8am and out at 5pm.
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Permalink Reply by Edward @bikeadelaide on -
"I hope the first thing the consultant does is get on a bike and ride Beulah Rd end to end into the city at 8am and out at 5pm."
Yes. Excellent point. So much cycling infrastructure appears to be designed by people who do not use it.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Murray on
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As a local I was involved in trying to stop any traffic lights at that Portrush / Beulah Road intersection when they did the Portrush upgrade. Every day I try to cycle across it I wonder if that was the right thing to do! The bike crossing is horrible and on foot or with a pusher it is a nightmare. The reason we opposed traffic lights was the rat runners who are trying to get off Magill and do a shortcut down Beulah Road. Many of them still use Beulah and deal with their inability go straight across Portrush by dog legging around through Verdun, Thornbury, Portrush and then right turn back onto Beulah again. At the time what won it for us wasn't traffic on Beulah (we just got told Beulah was a feeder road) but the fact that the cars had to already stop at Parade and Magill and another stop in between would be a violation of the god given right of traffic to flow. Don't know how the roads people will react to the idea of a bike/pedestrian crossing with lights going in there.
Michael
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Permalink Reply by Patrick O'Kane on -
Is that not an example of why Adelaide's transport system is so screwed up. Local self interest lobbyists campaigning on what is a major thoroughfare through the city, the usual NIMBY syndrome. We will never get an integrated transport system while every group looks after their own self interests IMO.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Murray on
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Well if they had put in lights on that intersection to allow cars on Beulah Road to cross Portrush it would have slowed traffic on Portrush which I would assume is the major thoroughfare. That was what drove the decision to have no lights. That it happened to coincide with my self interest was fortuitous.
Just not sure how they are going to get a set of cycle lights for the boulevard past the traffic flow argument.
Michael
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Permalink Reply by heather on
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Michael, TRY to explain to Transport that bicycles are traffic, in case Transport ideas have been updated. Also that more bicycles instead of cars would decrease road congestion and improve traffic flow.
Some years ago with Torrens Road / Fitzroy Terrace was 'upgraded', I asked again for a safe crossing for cyclists. Transport replied could not slow the traffic, although traffic stopping during peak times mid-block when lights red at intersections. Transport had observed how vehicles did not stop for pedestrians or cyclists wheeling bikes, when driven in the left slip lane and turning left from Torrens into Fitzroy. How drivers then changed lanes without legally indicating, e.g. still indicating left while moving one or two lanes to the right. Difficult for cyclists to determine vehicle path and cross safely. Told that we should make our way from mid-block to the intersection and cross where vehicles do not give way when turning left. I asked for a pedestrian actuated crossing at the intersection, received a letter from the then Transport Minister indicating one would be installed, but never happened.
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Permalink Reply by rossmg on -
They are spending $40,000 which will be only enough for some paint and signs.
Portrush and Fullarton intersections really require traffic lights to make them a safe place to cross.
Beulah Rd also has a number of round-abouts which are not the safest road furniture for cyclists to navigate. Not sure how to make such intersections safer - would round-about removal and putting in Stop Signs be any better (such that Beulah Rd was priority)?? Maybe not as I sit here scratching my head thinking about it...
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