Access, mobility, health - have your say on the Adelaide Integrated Movement Strategy
It's now up on the Adelaide City Council website. Public consult period open until June 8th. All suggestions will be taken on board.All aboard!
http://yoursay.adelaidecitycouncil.com/IntegratedMovementStrategy
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Permalink Reply by Patrick O'Kane on -
I've used it after watching footie or soccer at Adelaide oval which doesn't bother me but I wouldn't be so accommodating to the language and behaviour if I had the family with me.
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Permalink Reply by Don (Who's lost?) Nairn on -
there executive summary seems very light on substance.
having waded through a good proportion of the report I struggled to read it because of all the pretty pictures and inconsistent ways of presenting the information.
While there are many nice warm fuzzy ideas there seems to be little in the way of implementation methods.
Low emission vehicles for instance. As most vehicles would be owned by visitors to the city is seems likely that the ACC would have little influence over them.
Public transport is another issue that is much broader than the ACC.
It seems interesting that the ACC claims that they subsidize the cost of car parking.
I was under the impression that car parking was a good money spinner for the council because of the parking tickets they issue.
If less cars means less parking tickets there may be costs involved in this strategy for the ACC
How this money would be replaced in the council budget will be interesting.
I am like Patrick I actively avoid the city if possible.
Eventually if enough people avoid the city it turns into a ghost town.
Do people want to live in the little dog boxes that are being build by some developers?
Personally I would not choose to live this way.
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Permalink Reply by Sophia MacRae on -
If the presentation of the document is a problem, let them know!
Being an overall Strategy, it is not meant to be going into details about the implementation (frustrating, I know!) because that is something that is the responsibility of the staff, once the Strategy has been endorsed - it is an Operations matter, rather than Policy.
The Public Transport aspect is a huge issue, that's why the CEO of Dept Transport, Planning and Infrastructure, Rod Hook, was there at the launch, to make it clear that DPTI is and will be working hard on this part of the strategy's implementation (presuming it gets accepted by the community and the Council endorses it at their July or August meeting)
I'm not sure what the financial implications are for ACC re their offstreet carparks - but if carpark users are not paying for what it actually costs to build, run and maintain the carpark facility, then the ACC ratepayers are subsidising the carparkers.
Councils get income from parking infringement fines, however, Councils know that it is not a pleasant way to get income, in terms of PR, although I would say that the onus is on the carparker to observe the set times - especially if they are parking for free or a subsidized rate, using public land.
I, like many fulltime students and city workers, cannot choose to avoid the city, but it's true, I prefer not to go there if I don't have to, because there are too many cars, making it quite unpleasant. Like the outdoor dining on the Parade, it is hard to actually enjoy the street life when there are constantly noisy machines whizzing past, being driven by frustrated people.
It would be great if the City was a more pleasant place to hang out, and to live. I lived in a 'dog box' in Barcelona for years, and prior to having a baby, I LOVED it! So close to all the action, able to walk everywhere, easy to keep clean.... of course it's not for everyone, but there's definately a demographic for whom it is really good. And if those people who do enjoy apartment living can get decent apartments in a city that is easy to move around in, and full of different activities (creative, cultural, commercial, etc) then that relieves housing/land pressure for people who prefer to live with a little bit of land around their house.Should reduce traffic congestion in the 'burbs too, if less people need to use a car to commute to the CBD.
It all connects. Integrated, you could say!
But definitely, write in your concerns to the ACC using the feedback mechanism.
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Permalink Reply by heather on -
For those who live in the NE suburbs. If you do not want to cycle into the city and unhappy with city parking, try the Obahn. Even at night, the buses between Tea Tree Plaza and the City are frequent, and well patronised last time I used this route. One night 4 of us caught the bus to Tea Tree Plaza to dine at the TAFE training restaurant.
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Permalink Reply by Tanya Bacic on -
Yes I urge all cyclists to read and support Adelaide City Council’s new draft IMS...
This strategy will facilitate the transformation of the city into a city that is not all about moving and stationary cars. The strategy is about improving conditions for cycling, walking, public transport and creating great streets for people! It is recognised that accommodating the car is important, and always will - but it also recognises that over 80% of our streets currently is given over to either moving or stationary vehicles - it is now timely to take some space back for the people!!! Please take the time to read and provide feedback! Your say is important!
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Permalink Reply by Darren Bosanko on -
Unfortunately Adelaide city council is elected by a small majority of the Adelaide metro population and therefore do not represent the majority of the people that use it.
Nor do they understand that the key to making their plans work is to have a functional and reliable public transport system. Neither of which they have any control over.
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Permalink Reply by heather on
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Darren, When you respond, let ACC how often you visit ACC and for what. I do not live in the city but cycle there often and contact ACC. I received an email starting: As you are a valued stakeholder in the city, we wish to advise that a public consultation process. See post at http://www.adelaidecyclists.com/group/adelaidebug/forum/topics/acc-...
I attended the public meetings on ACC Integrated Movement Strategy. Well attended by Transport officers. ACC wish to decrease unnecessary city car trips that add to road congestion plus air and noise pollution, which degrade ambience and discourage visitors to the city. CBD businesses rely on city visitors.
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Permalink Reply by heather on
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'Pros and cons of cars' by Matt Abraham in City North Messenger of 2-May-2012 on page 12. He is not fully supportive of IMS.
"In a nutshell, the strategy aims to make life harder and more expensive for workers and shoppers who drive and park in Adelaide, and friendlier for pedestrians and cyclists . . . Perhaps people drive precisely because public transport is infrequent, below par and expensive. [Public transport is frequent during peak hours!] . . . But if he [Stephen Yarwood] lived at Pooraka and worked shifts at the RAH, he might have a different view of the council's "pro-car" strategy." [But shift work might not be every week, and there are AC cyclists who cycle to work at odd hours. Recall on Super Tuesday that some members at work well before 7am.]
Matt Abraham can be heard on 891Am from 6am-9am each weekday.
citynorthmessenger.com.au/blogs to comment
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Permalink Reply by Steven Orr on -
Motor vehicle parking in the city is encourged with early bird parking rates, but this only serves to get workers driving into the city!
If the council want shoppers back they should raise the price for pre 9.30am arrivals to car parks and make it cheaper for the shoppers? or maybe even free, or a parking voucher with the sales docket after they have purchased over a certain value of goods?
Contractors find it near impossible to work in the city, there is nowhere for them to park without getting nailed by parking police!
There are too many workers driving into the city, when from my observations most people arrive by public transport, ride a bicycle or walk! All hail the motor vehicle, the traffic lights are there to keep the minority moving smoothly through the city then they wonder why so many peds walk against the lights while sole occupant cars get the green light??
It's all geared to the group at the wrong times! If shoppers = cars then they don't need to be in the city before 9.30am??
This whole discussion is wide ranging and I don't see a quick fix, I am fortunate I ride into the city usually at work by 6.30am and I ride out around 4.00pm, and this is to miss the peak hour squeeze and it happens to fit in with my work. I do appreciate not everyone is as fortunate as me.
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Permalink Reply by heather on
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I like both of these ideas:
If the council want shoppers back they should raise the price for pre 9.30am arrivals to car parks and make it cheaper for the shoppers? or maybe even free, or a parking voucher with the sales docket after they have purchased over a certain value of goods?Census figures show that more Prospect residents are driving to work, and more are driving to work alone. I know some who do this when public transport is good at peak hours. What a waste! Your ideas would help reduce unnecessary traffic, and make it more pleasant for those of us who use sustainable transport of the bicycle.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Palfrey on -
I don't agree with the pre 09.30 bit. Certainly scale the prices up sharply after 2-3 hours of parking, but there would be plenty of people with legitimate reasons to park in the city for 2 - 3 hours before 09.30. Sales people, technicians that need to work in business premises, breakfast meetings etc. I also think the fee's need to drop sharply late in the afternoon.
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Permalink Reply by Brian Jenkins (BJ) on -
A few issues to take into account.
From repeated observation, most car trips into the CBD and around the suburbs are one-person trips. The cost of maintaining roads and parking facilities are a major drain on Council and Government budgets. Car-parking space is generally a one-use only area, and double the size of the vehicle is needed so each of them can get in and out.
Most of our public transport is on-road, and has to compete with car congestion. This would be a major influence on current timetable failures. When an incident occurs such as a car crash (even a break-down), traffic light failure or a burst water main, there is no room to divert traffic around. Those public transport services affected are lost.
So how and when do we start the ball rolling on behavioural change? Do we wait until there are an extra 5,000 cars driving around daily? 10,000 cars? 50,000 cars? Current road projects are already costing billions. Car-usage in our society is automatic (perhaps they should bring back 3-on-the-column), possibly addictive (what, us humans?). The first hurdle to get over to cure an addiction is the denial.
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